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Re: Trade Balance

By WarEagle
11/02/2015 10:07 am
jdavidbakr wrote:


The draft picks are calculated using the traditional draft pick value chart http://www.calculatorsoup.com/calculators/games/draft-pick-value.php


Apparently this doesn't work well in MFN. The picks are valued WAY above the value of the player you could get for them.

For example, if a team drafts the best player in the draft pool at 1.1, the cost to trade for that player immiediately after being drafted is much less than it would have been to trade for the 1.1 pick.

Re: Trade Balance

By jdavidbakr - Site Admin
11/02/2015 10:44 am
WarEagle wrote:
For example, if a team drafts the best player in the draft pool at 1.1, the cost to trade for that player immiediately after being drafted is much less than it would have been to trade for the 1.1 pick.


Unfortunately there has to be an objective valuation that may or may not be optimal during any given draft. The alternative is to open up the restrictions - but I believe the harm to the game is greater by allowing teams to fleece other (usually newer) owners than it is by preventing what would normally be an acceptable trade.

Why are you trying to move up from the #2 selection to the #1 selection anyway? If the value is basically the same then just take the #2 pick.

Re: Trade Balance

By WarEagle
11/02/2015 12:23 pm
jdavidbakr wrote:
WarEagle wrote:
For example, if a team drafts the best player in the draft pool at 1.1, the cost to trade for that player immiediately after being drafted is much less than it would have been to trade for the 1.1 pick.


Unfortunately there has to be an objective valuation that may or may not be optimal during any given draft. The alternative is to open up the restrictions - but I believe the harm to the game is greater by allowing teams to fleece other (usually newer) owners than it is by preventing what would normally be an acceptable trade.

Why are you trying to move up from the #2 selection to the #1 selection anyway? If the value is basically the same then just take the #2 pick.


I'm not trying to move up. That is another user.

My point is that the 1.1 pick shouldn't be more valuable than the best player in the ENTIRE league, or even in the draft pool.

Re: Trade Balance

By jdavidbakr - Site Admin
11/02/2015 12:31 pm
WarEagle wrote:
My point is that the 1.1 pick shouldn't be more valuable than the best player in the ENTIRE league, or even in the draft pool.


The problem is it becomes either the best player in the league is worth the 1.1 pick (which means he is impossible to trade for unless you have an equivalent player or, well, the 1.1 pick - which was the case last week before I adjusted the balance bar to cap out a player's value at the #15 pick) or we water down the 1.1 pick and abandon the pick value chart.

I'm open to suggestions if you have an idea for a better formula to map existing players to picks and vice versa. But the balance bar by nature must be objective, so I don't see a way around making a player worth the 1.1 pick and still having it be possible to make a trade for him.

Re: Trade Balance

By WarEagle
11/02/2015 12:46 pm
My thoughts are this:

I think the 1.1 pick should never be worth more than the best player available in the draft pool.

The best player in the draft pool should never be worth as much as the best player in the league due to the potential for being a bust.

If that means we scrap the NFL style pick values then so be it.

I don't have a formula, but I feel that the pick values are way too high in general, specifically the first round picks. I haven't thought too much about anything other than the first round.

Re: Trade Balance

By dmcc1
11/02/2015 1:08 pm
jdavidbakr wrote:
WarEagle wrote:
For example, if a team drafts the best player in the draft pool at 1.1, the cost to trade for that player immiediately after being drafted is much less than it would have been to trade for the 1.1 pick.


Unfortunately there has to be an objective valuation that may or may not be optimal during any given draft. The alternative is to open up the restrictions - but I believe the harm to the game is greater by allowing teams to fleece other (usually newer) owners than it is by preventing what would normally be an acceptable trade.

Why are you trying to move up from the #2 selection to the #1 selection anyway? If the value is basically the same then just take the #2 pick.


I'm not. I was the no 2 pick and someone offered me the No1 pick. The rest of the trade was him offering a 2018 rd6 and wanting a 2018 rd 3. The bar was about 90% in my favour when the trade clearly isn't in my favour at all.
Last edited at 11/02/2015 1:08 pm