Although still a newbie myself, i am a fast learner.

The relative value of older players is way out of whack and needs to be fixed. (Funny, i see some guys complain about others exploiting this problem but do it all the time themselves).

Ex: an 11-yr veteran '91' defensive tackle is just not worth two #1 picks. But that is what their trade scores indicate is a relatively fair deal.

REALLY???

C'mon people, be serious. A #1 draft pick is going to be worth roughly 1500-2600 trade points and is a virtually guaranteed star player, yet the trade value of a #1 pick is set at about 900.

HUH??

Drafting an 'impact' player (WR or RB) is likely to get the drafting team a nearly unstoppable guy who delivers 8-10 seasons of outstanding, game-winning talent. Now imagine a team that offers to trade all their 9-11 yr guys (all top-of the line, mind you) every year and end up getting 3 or 4 #1 picks every year. After four or five seasons they have an unstoppable guy in almost every position. Then, just as his performance starts to erode, they trade him away to an unsuspecting newbie for a #1 pick. Sure, he looks good to the newbie who doesn't know better and whose trade value score tells him it's a good deal and because he's got nobody better on his squad. But the guy who traded him has 3 or 4 guys better than him in the same position in only their 3rd or 4th year.

i believe this kind of thing, while great for the sharks who dominate every league, is not good for attracting new blood into the game and giving it life. i have seen many games die because of unfair, skewed competition that drives all the new blood away.

If a very good player actually has only 2 or 3 seasons left in him, his trade score needs to reflect that. Regardless of what his numbers are, older players need to be vastly devalued, even if they haven't experienced a large ratings drop yet.

you mean this guy = https://mfn26.myfootballnow.com/player/3020

sure his trade score is 228 which equals out to a 1st round or 2nd round pick.

what i have noticed though is the trade score are higher for 1st rounders in MFN 1.

Not that would help you.

Though maybe the reason your example of a player is going to take 2 draft picks to trade for is because the Algotiham of the game adds to the players trade score when a player has a good seasons in their career , that they actually boom , that they get accolades , etc.

Actually, no that wasn't the guy i was referring to - it was another league. With my weights the player had a 91 rating but with maybe 2-3 seasons (of declining performance) left and was certainly not worth two #1 picks (trade score close to 1600). Nobody with any sense or knowledge would make this trade.

My point is that nobody IS FORCED to accept unfair trades, of course, and the game only permits a certain range of 'unfairness'. However, new people coming into the game don't know better (no wiki) and the only propaganda in the game tells them it is fair, when it is not. They'll trade away all their top draft picks and screw their team up for many seasons then probably get frustrated and quit.

The trade scores need to fixed or should probably be dispensed with. A guy with 2-3 seasons left shouldn't be worth anymore than a 3rd or 4th round pick, regardless of talent level.

It has been brought up and thankfully the trade system allows half value .. that does help.

Also the 30 day trade block helps to get the new owners feet wet, so to speak, before trading is opened up.

I think part of the issue is that newer players don't realize how pointless rounds 5+ are and that players decline and retire much earlier on average than they think based on faulty perceptions of how long NFL players play. Many people think that NFL players play 15-20 years because you see quite a few of the big name players do it. The reality is that the average NFL career is only 3-4 years long and most players in this game are either retired or have lost enough physical ability by their 9-10th seasons that they might as well be retired. Not that old players can't be useful on occasion but all that really matters for most positions in this game are their physical attributes especially speed.

Whilst I somewhat agree with the OP, there are always going to be teams in 'win now' mode every season, of course this type of game play is not sustainable and it seems a lot of players then ditch the team and start over, not good for the game or leagues.
Since I've been here the trade meter has always been an issue of conjecture as nearly all trades are subjective.

Trades are subjective, to a point, where they become obviously imbalanced. Those of you who know me know that this is the top issue and problem with the game for me. I dont like seeing new or losing players being taken advantage of, and I def dont like seeing cheating and multi-accounts used to garner a slew of first round picks for one team. There's something wrong when a team that is in the previous League Championship game gets 2 or more first round picks the next season. Makes it very, very difficult for lower tier teams to gain any ground on the top teams. I know player values and position importance, a 5 yr old elite OL with a player trade value of 2000 is not worth an elite WR or DB with the same player trade value of 2000. No player over 8 yrs exp should be rated above 1500. Ive got players with default values in the 60s that are in the league leaders for their stat category that are worth less than 100 on the meter.... there should be a consideration for production statistics along with other key factors that establish total player value. Otherwise, you will get unbalanced trades, not only for high picks, but for elite 2 & 3 yr players for unequal value. Have seen it happen many times, and always the owner of the team that is leading the league says "Hey, I gave him good value, it was a fair trade"...... no it wasnt, and the lower ranked team that got the "fair/equal" trade does not improve, while the top team continues being the top team both in roster and standings.

The real problem is the Witch Hunt.

GrandDad, you've posted so many 'Unfair' Trades that actually were perfectly fine. You view every Trade with a bias.

i only wish to add to this that i think some of those stellar performances from players in their 60's are because the previous game engines were warped towards rewarding speed. The long time GMs know that a winning team could be built quickly simply by putting the fastest player available into every position (not just WRs, CBs, and RBs).

i am just testing the new game engine now but i believe it is going a long way towards addressing that issue.

i am going to continue this thread from another point of view based on things i have been seeing very recently and i am hoping that JDB will pay close attention here.

Question:

What is the purpose of the Draft and draft/order? What is the reason it was implemented professionally?

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OK here it is:

Answer:

To promote FAIR COMPETITION. That is, the draft was employed to help poorer teams get the better talent so they can catch up and be competitive with the dynasties.

All agreed?

Hope so.

So what is fair about the top teams in many leagues having 4 or 5 first round draft choices - ALL ahead of the teams they are already much better than???

i just saw a trade in one league that is going to cement the beneficiary's Championship Status for the next ten seasons most likely.

Now - i am not one of those people who complain about cheating, nor will i do any myself. As an aside, i was once in an online racing game where, by the 5th season, virtually everybody was using a host of available cheats to win - i never used any and accepted my losing graciously.

i am here to have fun, help test and improve the BETA, and support the game - for as long as it is interesting. If it just so happens that 2 or 3 guys win all the league championships and i never have the chance i will not complain, but Mr. Baker, they are ruining your game and going to chase away all your clientele.

For the record, they are not actually cheating - the game allows it.

But it is easily fixed.

Good Luck.