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Re: Salary question?

By raymattison21
10/02/2016 8:35 am
I am still wondering how V.Shafer MLB the top rookie in 75 makes 5 mil bonus a year with a 120 mil dollar cap?

Yet in a seasoned league, 1, the best rookie, a LB also, makes LESS when the cap is over twice as high?

Basically LB Grays salary should follow that same inflation rate. Not stay the same, or in this case go down.


Last edited at 10/02/2016 8:36 am

Re: Salary question?

By WarEagle
10/02/2016 2:19 pm
Rookie salaries are based on draft position, not how good they are.

In an allocation draft, the highest paid players on each team are going to be the first pick for each team. That is not the case with established leagues.

Also, in the first year of a league, each team has a bunch of scrubs filling out the roster that would normally not be on any roster. A lot of these players are getting paid the minimum. Teams will be closer to the cap sometime during season 3.

Re: Salary question?

By raymattison21
10/02/2016 2:54 pm
All valid points, but Next years number one pick 1st years bonus will be 5 mil.

The cap will be 125 mil or something.

In 1 the number 1 will be 5 mil and the cap will have in flated to 245mil.

The # 1 in 1 should be making over ten mil. with that model not five.
Last edited at 10/02/2016 2:55 pm

Re: Salary question?

By WarEagle
10/02/2016 4:56 pm
Actually, the #1 pick in 75 had a signing bonus of $15,026,895.00.
$5,008,965.00 is the cap hit per year (3 years).
This was 12.5% of the total cap.

The #1 pick in the last MFN-1 draft had a signing bonus of $18,203,772.00 (4 years).
This was 7% of the total cap.

In real life Jared Goff signed a 4 year deal with a signing bonus of $18.6 million, 11.9% of the total NFL cap for 2016.

In 2015 #1 pick Jameis Winston got a bonus of $16.7M, 11.7% of the total NFL cap for 2015.

I'm not sure what this shows in relation to your argument, but I found it interesting.

Also, I don't think leagues less than 3 years old can be used as examples for anything salary cap related due to the reasons I mentioned above.

Re: Salary question?

By raymattison21
10/02/2016 5:02 pm
WarEagle wrote:
Rookie salaries are based on draft position, not how good they are.



This is based off a nfl formula. Based of bust rates of the nfl. Our bust rates differ in a higher percentage better players go before a worse players.

Making this model on bias towards higher picks being finacially safer. They are less of a gamble making high picks here worth more here then the nfl.

Re: Salary question?

By raymattison21
10/02/2016 5:04 pm
WarEagle wrote:
Actually, the #1 pick in 75 had a signing bonus of $15,026,895.00.
$5,008,965.00 is the cap hit per year (3 years).
This was 12.5% of the total cap.

The #1 pick in the last MFN-1 draft had a signing bonus of $18,203,772.00 (4 years).
This was 7% of the total cap.

In real life Jared Goff signed a 4 year deal with a signing bonus of $18.6 million, 11.9% of the total NFL cap for 2016.

In 2015 #1 pick Jameis Winston got a bonus of $16.7M, 11.7% of the total NFL cap for 2015.

I'm not sure what this shows in relation to your argument, but I found it interesting.

Also, I don't think leagues less than 3 years old can be used as examples for anything salary cap related due to the reasons I mentioned above.



That point two difference is what i am talking about. Ours went down several percentage points where it should have climbed at that same nfl rate.
Last edited at 10/02/2016 5:06 pm

Re: Salary question?

By WarEagle
10/02/2016 5:12 pm
raymattison21 wrote:
WarEagle wrote:
Rookie salaries are based on draft position, not how good they are.



This is based off a nfl formula. Based of bust rates of the nfl. Our bust rates differ in a higher percentage better players go before a worse players.

Making this model on bias towards higher picks being finacially safer. They are less of a gamble making high picks here worth more here then the nfl.
.

I guess it depends on what you consider a bust, but I don't think there are more busts in the NFL than MFN. I know I've had early round picks who I didn't renew and only kept on my roster so I didn't have to eat the cap hit. To me, that is a bust. I've also had a player drafted in the top five that dropped -27 in his first TC. Although I kept this player around, I still consider him a bust.

Also, are you suggesting the Rams/Eagles were able to offer Goff/Wentz less money because Jamarcus Russell and Ryan Leaf were busts? If you disregard the relatively new rookie salary cap, it doesn't appear these guys are getting paid less and less because of a high bust rate. In fact, it seems these first round picks are all getting paid based on their "potential", not the risk.

Re: Salary question?

By raymattison21
10/02/2016 5:59 pm
WarEagle wrote:
raymattison21 wrote:
WarEagle wrote:
Rookie salaries are based on draft position, not how good they are.



This is based off a nfl formula. Based of bust rates of the nfl. Our bust rates differ in a higher percentage better players go before a worse players.

Making this model on bias towards higher picks being finacially safer. They are less of a gamble making high picks here worth more here then the nfl.
.

I guess it depends on what you consider a bust, but I don't think there are more busts in the NFL than MFN. I know I've had early round picks who I didn't renew and only kept on my roster so I didn't have to eat the cap hit. To me, that is a bust. I've also had a player drafted in the top five that dropped -27 in his first TC. Although I kept this player around, I still consider him a bust.

Also, are you suggesting the Rams/Eagles were able to offer Goff/Wentz less money because Jamarcus Russell and Ryan Leaf were busts? If you disregard the relatively new rookie salary cap, it doesn't appear these guys are getting paid less and less because of a high bust rate. In fact, it seems these first round picks are all getting paid based on their "potential", not the risk.



Pick Cap Cost.
4 $4,516,638
34 $1,177,171
67 $669,163
101 $603,681
135 $545,358
189 $483,564
212 $474,960
216 $474,960
217 $474,960

Thats the nfl, and ours is similar, but i would have to deeper caculations to explain better., but MFN 1's salary rates for this season look as such for rounds 1-3.

4.5 mil for rd 1
3mil for 2nd rd
2 mil for 3rd rd

These are two interlocking problems.

The low allowance for draft pick salaries are not inflated year to year and so on.

Also, as stated here in my crude statistical graphics is the money is off for picks. I wish ours was closer to the NFLs in this aspect as by round three the best players are gone here also.

When you miss late you are hit worse finacially in comparison, but if you hit late its a low speed or strength guy who will boom maybe, but he will never be as good, because he lacks top notch static skills. Which dropped his draft status in the first place.

Re: Salary question?

By jdavidbakr - Site Admin
10/03/2016 8:31 am
Rookie salaries are based on a formula as a percentage of the cap. Initially I was expecting that the market would drive salaries, but have been disappointed at this impact in practice; version 0.4 introduces a more aggressive salary request formula, but it eases itself in so as not to force everyone to cut their team and figure out the salary cap from scratch - hopefully, though, you'll begin to have a harder time staying under the cap as salary requests increase over the next several seasons.

Re: Salary question?

By raymattison21
10/03/2016 11:19 am
WarEagle wrote:
Actually, the #1 pick in 75 had a signing bonus of $15,026,895.00.
$5,008,965.00 is the cap hit per year (3 years).
This was 12.5% of the total cap.

The #1 pick in the last MFN-1 draft had a signing bonus of $18,203,772.00 (4 years).
This was 7% of the total cap.

In real life Jared Goff signed a 4 year deal with a signing bonus of $18.6 million, 11.9% of the total NFL cap for 2016.

In 2015 #1 pick Jameis Winston got a bonus of $16.7M, 11.7% of the total NFL cap for 2015.

I'm not sure what this shows in relation to your argument, but I found it interesting.

Also, I don't think leagues less than 3 years old can be used as examples for anything salary cap related due to the reasons I mentioned above.



This is the point. Resigns are different, and will use market value. This sets the value before hand.

MFN 1 rookie #1 should be holding an inflated percent of 245 mil. dollar cap.

Not this deflated 7.4 percent. Of the cap. This is the whole point of that formula. My theory is it not inflated at the rate of the cap is each year.

The new code does not account for this. If so that rookie would be making over double.

Year 2000 the cap is 100 mil rooks make 5
The leagues revenue annually increases
Year 2050 the cap is 200 mil and rooks make 10

Simplified, thats how i see it. Sorry, if i think the math is wrong.



This one is more of an opinion, but i know it will help balance alot.

Also, the formula we use does not take in to account all speed is gone early, like the NFL.

Our model it to linear in this regard. I would use more of a distribution that the NFL uses to reflect the desire of speed and how it relates to salary paid to that draftee.

A #1 will garner only 15 mil here. Most likely a grade A player. Very valuable.
A third rounder will garner over half that 15 mil. Almost a bad deal at 8million in comparison for the talent that is obtainable for only double the price.

Finacially a third round miss is worse than 1st. Plain and simple. Add how valuable speed is and even a boom in the third will never be as good as a 1st rounder who stayed the same. This is highlighted for positions that value speed as a core skill.