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Training Camp 2025

By Tecra031
12/02/2015 7:52 am
JDB,

I think we need to look at the distribution of +/- player development at training camp. I was reviewing my team this morning and of all of my offensive starters (not all offensive players), I only had one actually gain any future development. All 5 of my WR all lost points, and this isn't age related either...my top 2 WR are year 3 & 4 respectively. I would expect that maybe in year 8+ as players declines, and a few random others, but the majority of my team as a whole (probably 80%-85% or better) had negative training camp results, including most of my younger players <5 years. Granted it is by one or two points mostly, but a few seasons of that and an 80 player quickly becomes 68-70 player.

Not sure how other training teams fared during training camp, but every single year the development of players in strongly tilted to losing, not an even mix of winners and losers.

Re: Training Camp 2025

By ibblacklavender02
12/02/2015 8:05 am
I actually wish that performance/stats help as well.....I've had players lead the league in sacks and lose points that same year!!

Re: Training Camp 2025

By Gustoon
12/02/2015 11:38 am
Ours was , lets say.......dismal

Re: Training Camp 2025

By jsid
12/02/2015 12:23 pm
Tecra031 wrote:

Not sure how other training teams fared during training camp, but every single year the development of players in strongly tilted to losing, not an even mix of winners and losers.


I believe that is the trend for all teams over all leagues.

Re: Training Camp 2025

By Wolfpack
12/02/2015 1:21 pm
I feel its ok. I've had some great late bloomers and some 1st round busts and a lot of guys in between.

Re: Training Camp 2025

By Morbid
12/02/2015 1:39 pm
I actually had a decent draft, no huge break outs but at least i didnt lose on my top picks.

What I havnt seen in a very very long time is a break out player in the draft. I play a lot of leagues and I would say the biggest gain I have had on a player in probably the last 3 seasons on all my leagues has been a 5 points gain for a rookie.

Also would like to see once in a while a developement type player have a breakout season or even a dud drop off. Sometimes it takes a few years for a player to get it and also just never get it.

Re: Training Camp 2025

By oukjweather
12/02/2015 2:14 pm
In 2019 I had +6 gain on future on a rookie, unfortunately that rookie didn't boom quite like I had hoped. I have had a couple players boom into a key contributor with 15 point gains on there future rating over their lifespan which is pretty good. That is something you have to keep in mind is that 1 data point doesn't set the trend. I have had several players who didn't have a big gain as a rookie, but over a few seasons blossomed into some great players. This season was slightly better than last for me with at least a few holding close to steady, only 1 major looking bust and 1 possible boom player.

Re: Training Camp 2025

By jsid
12/02/2015 3:03 pm
Both of my rookie WRs boomed, which I'm thrilled about. Makes up for how badly my TE busted a few years ago. The Atlanta WRs are looking to give secondaries headaches!
Last edited at 12/02/2015 3:03 pm

Re: Training Camp 2025

By JCSwishMan33
12/02/2015 9:46 pm
Cleveland Rookie Training Camp Review:

(1.9) #85 Matthew Deck (WR) 4/-5 56/87

GM Jeff Coleman told reporters prior to the Draft that he wanted to get a solid weapon for his incumbent QB John Lyons, and whoever might follow... And Deck fits that bill exactly. The stand-out from Oklahoma demonstrated stellar football smarts, top-flight speed and agility, and an uncanny ability to simply out-muscle defenders when going over the middle. Deck will excel in the next level of football, but coaches are noting that he's having some trouble with the expanded playbook. They believe this won't be a problem in the long run, but may curtail his immediate upside. Despite this, Deck is almost guaranteed to blossom into a solid #1 option.

(4.26) #24 Tyler Roberts (SS) 7/0 41/66

A solid zone presence at Northwestern, Roberts made a habit out of punishing receivers and runners alike that came into his area. As good as he was in the zone, however, his man-to-man work was as bad. It wasn't always because of poor preparations or execution; Roberts was too heavy of a hitter at times, leading the conference in unsportsmanlike penalties. Coaches see his potential, however, and state that they'll work on his strengths while trying to shore up his deficiencies... Of course while trying to rein his impactful nature on the proper side of the yellow hankies.

(4.29) #48 Dennis Luna (FS) 8/0 39/66

Kentucky's Luna is of a similar makeup to Roberts, but with a bit more refinement in the discipline and man-to-man coverage departments. The two have actually become fast friends, and have been taking to their new coaching like ducks to water. Luna is showing to be receptive to tweaks in his footwork, and should be a solid addition (along with Roberts) to the secondary.

(5.9) #50 Mark Canada (MLB) 7/4 37/68

"Oh, Canada!" was a battle cry up at the tiny school of St. John's in New York, as Canada was a potent punch in the middle of the defensive line. While a bit of a lumbering presence, Canada regularly destroyed receivers in the middle of the field. Once he got a grip on someone, more often than not the ball found its way to the ground. His run defense was a bit suspect, but defensive coaches have stated they've found him easy to work with and hope for improvement there. This 5th rounder may come out of nowhere to surprise up the gut and lay out more than one receiver in his career.

(5.23) #89 Clifton Richard (TE)

Richard was released coming out of Training Camp due to a surplus of tight ends and inability to find a positional best fit otherwise.

(6.8) #14 Cory Tudor (FS)

Tudor was released coming out of Training Camp due to inability to find a positional best fit.

(6.22) #38 Dwight Marshall (SS) 3/1 29/57

A solid Penn State product in the secondary, Marshall had the majority of his success in man-to-man situations. His ability to catch and trounce receivers on the edges was a blessing to the Big Ten school. Coaches have pointed out refinements to his techniques, and Marshall has been quick to pick up those, plus refine them into improving a lacking run stop. While his upside is likely limited, Marshall trends to have a good all-around game at his full ability.

(7.9) #97 James Heide (WLB) 4/1 19/44

A backup lineman at Stanford, Heide was picked up by Cleveland as a stop-gap measure to back up Ricardo Granham until an acquisition could be made. Heide's skill set is well-rounded, if not impressive, covering the run and pass relatively equally. Exceptional speed, but poor acceleration and poor play of the angles will hamper his performance on the next level.

(Undrafted) #13 James Bender (P) 7/0 55/86

Bender went undrafted in 2025, but Cleveland picked him up as an insurance policy to incumbent punter David Davis' dropoff in skill over a surprisingly short time span. The Penn product was highly effective in targeted punting, excelling in getting the ball inside the opposing 20 and planting coffin kicks right where they needed to go at an above average rate. He is a very cerebral kicker, breaking down the angles and wind factors amazingly well, but he is a bit excitable and lacks the 'non-killer instinct' on covering the returns, putting himself at more risk than you'd like in a punter.

(Undrafted) #14 Loyd Lapointe (K) 3/-1 46/77

With Cleveland looking to get younger, the kicker position is apparently no exception. Incumbent kicker Aaron Heuser has 8 years under his belt, so the undrafted rookie from Eastern Kentucky was brought in to learn under Heuser's eye. Lapointe has a good and disciplined football eye, and a strong leg. His accuracy at this point is only average, but Heuser and the kicking coaches see the potential there. Lapointe may be a few years from starting, but confidence is good that he'll be a solid kicker in Heuser's stead.

Re: Training Camp 2025

By Mr.Krazy
12/03/2015 2:45 pm
Dallas's 2025 Training camp results:

(2.26) WR Kevin Miller Michigan State +10/+5 51/78

Without a 1st round pick in the 2025 draft, Owner Micheal Kenseth and Dallas knew that they needed to make every pick count, especially there 2nd rounder and they did just that with Miller. The top receiver from Michigan State brought a heck of a target in himself, making consistent catches downfield and bringing the football in at every catch. He exceeded expectations to coaching staff, and out maneuvered corners to make outstanding catches. He is the receiver Dallas has been waiting for the past couple of years, and he could be the turning point to the struggling receiving corps Dallas has had the past 5 years. With Coleman likely to retire after this season, Miller is expected to lead the charge for this and next year as picking up Miller has been one of the best picks for Dallas in recent memory.

(3.9) QB Clifford Soto Wisconsin +5/-5 46/72

In yet another QB happy draft, Dallas selects Soto to add more competition at QB for Dallas. Shaffer has started the past 3 years as he has proven to be the underdog in preseason, showing greater skills than Nicholas Bolin, who's rating did not show after his 1st season switch to Dallas. Now with Soto on the line for QB competition, this years QB battle will be a good one heading into preseason. Soto performed average for where he was selected, showing great arm strength and scrambling abilities. But the real challenge for Soto will be his opportunity at the backup of even starting position for the regular season in preseason.

(3.15) WR Coleman Gonzales California +9/-4 42/69

Dallas selected Gonzales, hoping to improve the receiving corps while adding depth to the position. Gonzales showed great potential in camp, despite his missed and dropped catches. But how Gonzales is built, with great strength and kick return abilities, makes him another interesting target for the Dallas QB's heading into preseason. What Kenseth said for sure is that Gonzales will have a spot in the roster, whether thats receiving or returning kicks. We'll see where 'Speedy' Gonzales ends up after preseason.

(4.30) WLB Daniel Carlson William & Mary +9/0 41/63

Carlson brings depth at the weakside linebacker position as he will be a solid backup for a great, groundpounding Joshua Harris. "Carlson will be there backing up a great player for if Harris where to get injured, he will be the guy to step up and show off why he can backup one of the leagues best" stated Kenseth, who is proud to have Carlson onboard for the 2025 season.

(5.26) CB James Moss Other +4/-2 29/55

Moss adds depth at the corner positions with his raw ability that could bring out the best of him in the future. "His playmaking abilities are very raw but are improveable so we will see where he ends up on the roster."

(6.26) LT Billy Fischer Southern Illinois +0/-1 21/57

Fischer adds a backup role to Leslie Song after the departure of Rob McManus. Fischer is Raw, but will add to the LT spot as a filler until Dallas can find another approach to the struggling position.

(7.26) TE Anthony Carreon Albion +3/-3 19/37

Carreon will most likely be cut after the preseason unless he has one outstanding performance in preseason.
Last edited at 12/03/2015 3:10 pm