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Re: 2025 Season

By mrfakename
1/19/2016 5:02 pm
Gustoon wrote:
mrfakename wrote:
$B$Dog$ wrote:
Irrelevant but fact.


For months now equally matched teams have been decided by STs. But more alarming is the frequency. Not are punt return yards too high but field goals are off the charts. Some general cause and effect reflects this pattern of too many 4th downs. Too many opportunities to punt and kick. It's slightly askew. Kickers routinely getting 200 point a season would be nullified quick by the NFL. It's about the money and nobody wants a game decided by a kick. It happens but far too much here.


On Punt returns: I know a few owners here on MFN that work hard on STs and its reflected on how their teams play. Its not only about running them back for TDs, its all about field position as well and if you can consistently punt to within a opponents 10 yard line, you're going to be in trouble, most likely.

I disagree about too many 4th downs as well, ha ha I wish I could run a 3rd down offense all day as them amount of 3rd and long conversions are off the charts, eg: 3rd & 28 - The QB has struggled all game to hook up and miraculously starts playing like Joe Montana.

There are definitely formulas to being successful in this game, just like real football, for me its how you get there. Look at the likes of Ares (not playing right now) he consistently won in multiple leagues, taking teams that hadn't won anything and turning them into championship teams, great O, great D and great STs.



Statically speaking neither side provided proof of anything. I agree with you when dealing with players like Ares but I am speaking in general. But as two with the skill of Ares like people meet causes too many special team opportunities. Still this is an observation only but we will see as the game evolves with better players playing better players.

Re: 2025 Season

By Tecra031
1/19/2016 5:14 pm
mrfakename wrote:
$B$Dog$ wrote:
Irrelevant but fact.


For months now equally matched teams have been decided by STs.


In the NFL, "equally" matched teams are ALWAYS separated by ST plays. There are tons of games that end with game winning/losing FG attempts. Heck, I have a 92/92 K who is only 80.6% for FGs this season! And yes, teams with great special teams have always had an advantage...think of the great KRs/PRs recently...how about DJax, or Devin Hester in his prime a few years ago...they are/were a threat EVERY single time they received a punt. Those are decided advantages for those teams.

Also, "equally matched" is subjective. On paper, maybe the ratings are close...but If one team has better game planning than another, then "equally" matched goes out the window.

Also, take for example what BDog said after our game (no offense meant)..."we outplayed you guys in every phase of the game, except ST". That isn't accurate if you look at the stats from my eyes...yes they out rushed us, but we had a higher pass completion %, higher yds per pass play, and more yards per completion...we had less passing yards due to less attempts. He also had 6 team penalties versus 1 for us. So his takeaway is he out played us...my takeaway wasn't the same. He has a solid team however and I take nothing away from them. All those other "intangible" skill traits come into effect at some point as well, not just speed.

Outside of one or two games a season, I feel my team can compete with and/or beat, any team...it isn't because I have the best players necessarily, its how they are used within my game plan. My team has gone through phases based on personnel groups. For example, I used to be a big sweep running team when I had guards and tackles that could pull and a stud running back...now that's rare because my O-line, while good, are slow as molasses. This is the most pass heavy an offense I have ever ran since MFN-1 was created...but that is based on my QB and my receiving corps now.

On my entire offense, I have 2 90+ rated players out of 24 offensive players...my #1 WR and my #1 RG (both out with injuries right now)....I have 1 80+ plus rated WR and my two main RBs aren't even rated over 80. However, I have 2 1000+ yard rushers this season and 2 1000+ yd WRs. I don't say any of that to brag, just to illustrate my point about what constitutes an equally matched team. (Think Demarco Murray this year in Philly...good player in bad system for him)

This game isn't just about putting the highest rated players on the field (yes, of course they help), game planning and the offensive/defensive style are huge parts as well. Not to mention, managing your depth charts on special teams are important as well. Having the right gunners and blockers in there is important too.

Sorry for the long post, just wanted to add my thoughts to this topic.

Re: 2025 Season

By mrfakename
1/19/2016 7:59 pm
Tecra031 wrote:
mrfakename wrote:
$B$Dog$ wrote:
Irrelevant but fact.


For months now equally matched teams have been decided by STs.


In the NFL, "equally" matched teams are ALWAYS separated by ST plays. There are tons of games that end with game winning/losing FG attempts. Heck, I have a 92/92 K who is only 80.6% for FGs this season! And yes, teams with great special teams have always had an advantage...think of the great KRs/PRs recently...how about DJax, or Devin Hester in his prime a few years ago...they are/were a threat EVERY single time they received a punt. Those are decided advantages for those teams.

Also, "equally matched" is subjective. On paper, maybe the ratings are close...but If one team has better game planning than another, then "equally" matched goes out the window.

Also, take for example what BDog said after our game (no offense meant)..."we outplayed you guys in every phase of the game, except ST". That isn't accurate if you look at the stats from my eyes...yes they out rushed us, but we had a higher pass completion %, higher yds per pass play, and more yards per completion...we had less passing yards due to less attempts. He also had 6 team penalties versus 1 for us. So his takeaway is he out played us...my takeaway wasn't the same. He has a solid team however and I take nothing away from them. All those other "intangible" skill traits come into effect at some point as well, not just speed.

Outside of one or two games a season, I feel my team can compete with and/or beat, any team...it isn't because I have the best players necessarily, its how they are used within my game plan. My team has gone through phases based on personnel groups. For example, I used to be a big sweep running team when I had guards and tackles that could pull and a stud running back...now that's rare because my O-line, while good, are slow as molasses. This is the most pass heavy an offense I have ever ran since MFN-1 was created...but that is based on my QB and my receiving corps now.

On my entire offense, I have 2 90+ rated players out of 24 offensive players...my #1 WR and my #1 RG (both out with injuries right now)....I have 1 80+ plus rated WR and my two main RBs aren't even rated over 80. However, I have 2 1000+ yard rushers this season and 2 1000+ yd WRs. I don't say any of that to brag, just to illustrate my point about what constitutes an equally matched team. (Think Demarco Murray this year in Philly...good player in bad system for him)

This game isn't just about putting the highest rated players on the field (yes, of course they help), game planning and the offensive/defensive style are huge parts as well. Not to mention, managing your depth charts on special teams are important as well. Having the right gunners and blockers in there is important too.

Sorry for the long post, just wanted to add my thoughts to this topic.


I agree with alot of what you are saying and appreciate your thoughts as many of mine are the same. Except the NFL has prevented players like Hester impact by changing rules. Like the way passing has been made easier to allow for higher point totals. Defense had different 5 yrd chuck rules applied after Hester had those break out years. Here I see it similar but perhaps it is without matched teams is where stats get pretty out of control with the punt returns and FG attempts. Both are 4th down plays. I will add up the kickers from the nfl points and compare. Similar for punt return yards and then I will continue.

Re: 2025 Season

By ibblacklavender02
1/20/2016 5:17 am
Good Game San Francisco, Man came down to the wire! I wish we had another play there because I thought we had 1 sec left but great Defense down there!

Re: 2025 Season

By WarEagle
1/20/2016 9:04 am
I think it is unrealistic to expect the stats in MFN to mirror those in the NFL.

In the NFL, all the teams are NFL caliber (players, coaches, scouting, gameplanning, etc.). The games are NFL vs NFL (assuming you include the Browns).

In MFN, sometimes it's more like NFL teams vs NCAA teams, or NFL offense vs NCAA defense (and vice versa, along with ST).

There is never going to the same parity in MFN that there is in the NFL.

And, even if all the teams were equal, there is still the major difference in our ability to gameplan vs that of a real NFL team, not to mention the difference in each individual owner's ability to gameplan with what limited tools we have.

The bottom line is I don't think it is very realistic (or desirable) for JDB to put changes in place that manipulates the outcomes of games/plays so that the stats equal what you expect to see in the NFL.

The best we can hope for is that MFN is fair, and by that I mean that all of us are playing by the same rules and have the same opportunities to manage our teams. The team that goes 16-0 is playing by the same rules as the team that goes 0-16. I think that currently exists.

Of course, all of this is just my opinion.



Re: 2025 Season

By WarEagle
1/20/2016 9:05 am
I can't believe I just lost to a team that doesn't appear to be trying to win.

Worst game of the season for me by far.

Re: 2025 Season

By JCSwishMan33
1/20/2016 9:38 am
WarEagle wrote:
<snip!>

...The games are NFL vs NFL (assuming you include the Browns).

<snip!>


Hey hey hey... Only Clevelanders can insult the Clowns like that!

Besides, San Fran and Tennessee were similar jokes this year. So parity (good AND bad) is becoming more prevalent. ;)

Re: 2025 Season

By Tecra031
1/20/2016 10:01 am
Great game MIA...This was a classic NJ/MIA showdown. Tough D from your team to stop me from getting in position for the game winning attempt...2 times! You also got the tie breaker between us. Unless Oakland pulls off a miracle to knock you off, looks like the AC East is yours...well done. Maybe I can get revenge in the playoffs if we meet again.

Re: 2025 Season

By Black Adder
1/20/2016 11:46 am
Tecra031 wrote:
Great game MIA...This was a classic NJ/MIA showdown. Tough D from your team to stop me from getting in position for the game winning attempt...2 times! You also got the tie breaker between us. Unless Oakland pulls off a miracle to knock you off, looks like the AC East is yours...well done. Maybe I can get revenge in the playoffs if we meet again.


Gg Terca,

Yes was a stella effort from the MIA D,but all that good work early on went up in smoke with your 2 Punt Returns for TD`s (got to look into this part of the game a little more)

After our big lead we just thought we`d cruise to the win....it DIDN`T HAPPEN!

We just about held on at the end,but some of the MIA play calls at the end...jeez I gonna have a long chat with my play calling HC.

Long may the AFC East rivalry remain between all 4 teams ,with( counting myself here) 4 classy GM`s at the helm.

Re: 2025 Season

By Wolfpack
1/20/2016 12:08 pm
GG Tampa