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Re: [Feature] Relative speed and acceleration

By raymattison21
9/11/2017 8:18 am
Thanks!

I just noticed something else....possibly intended , but in 87 when I search speed under players while looking at the FAs.....I ended up searching the speed they were assigned under the old visual.

It's fun to see the changes form the card to the old way at a glance, but I think this was unintended . ..

Re: [Feature] Relative speed and acceleration

By jdavidbakr - Site Admin
9/11/2017 8:34 am
Ah, I'll make a note of that, I didn't change it there.

Re: [Feature] Relative speed and acceleration

By Beercloud
9/12/2017 2:39 pm
I'm seeing O-linemen with faster speed than RB's, DB's and WR's.


Is a 80 O-linemen faster than a 79 WR?

Re: [Feature] Relative speed and acceleration

By jdavidbakr - Site Admin
9/12/2017 10:02 pm
Beercloud wrote:
I'm seeing O-linemen with faster speed than RB's, DB's and WR's.


Is a 80 O-linemen faster than a 79 WR?


I suppose so, how does his acceleration compare?

Re: [Feature] Relative speed and acceleration

By Beercloud
9/13/2017 12:41 pm
Heres a couple from the 1st page of the Draft Class. There's more deeper into the pages. I'll try to find some RL times by positions and post em here. I can also pull down the csv file and go through that data and create some sort of comparison if that would help.

The Beef

G - Todd Grabowski
https://mfn1.myfootballnow.com/player/13485

DT - Louis Guion
https://mfn1.myfootballnow.com/player/13419


The Speed Positions

WR - Adam Price
https://mfn1.myfootballnow.com/player/13399

S - William Holder
https://mfn1.myfootballnow.com/player/13263

Re: [Feature] Relative speed and acceleration

By mardn72
9/13/2017 12:45 pm
This makes sense to me. There were always DL and OL with high speed before, and there we always slow skill position players. I'm sure you can find real NFL lineman with faster 40 times than the slower skill position players. It should be rarer though, which is why I'd still love to see skill position players with a minimum of 50 speed.

Re: [Feature] Relative speed and acceleration

By Beercloud
9/13/2017 2:09 pm
I pulled down some really good info on SBnation.com with 2013 40 times.
https://www.sbnation.com/college-football/2013/3/1/4038740/2013-nfl-combine-high-school-40-yard-dash-times

It's a comparison of their High School times vs their NFL times and how high school times are fudged. But I used their NFL times and put em into a spread shed to sort em by position and then by times. Here's the fastest and slowest times of the groups posted in that article. Great info there.

Offense
QB
Geno Smith 4.59
Landry Jones 5.11

RB
Kerwynn Williams 4.48
Zach Boren 5.00

WR
Marqyuise Goodwin 4.27
TJ Moe 4.74

TE
Chris Gragg 4.50
Chris Pantale 4.99

OL
Kyle Long 4.94
Chance Warmack 5.49

Defense
DL
Barkevious Mingo 4.58
Kwame Geathers 5.44

LB
Zaviar Gooden 4.47
Chase Thomas 4.91

DB
Darius Slay 4.36
Marc Anthony 4.63

S
Shamarko Thomas 4.42
Zeke Motta 4.83

Re: [Feature] Relative speed and acceleration

By Beercloud
9/13/2017 2:22 pm
Man you guys wanna see some great data (not necessarily related to this thread), check this out.

https://nextgenstats.nfl.com/charts/list/qb-grid

Re: [Feature] Relative speed and acceleration

By mardn72
9/13/2017 2:26 pm
Beercloud wrote:
Man you guys wanna see some great data (not necessarily related to this thread), check this out.

https://nextgenstats.nfl.com/charts/list/qb-grid


Wow. That's awesome. Nice find.

Re: [Feature] Relative speed and acceleration

By setherick
9/13/2017 2:27 pm
OL Lane Johnson ran an "official" 4.72 40 at the combine: http://www.nfl.com/combine/profiles/lane-johnson?id=2539286

He was hand timed as low as 4.59, which would have made him faster than most of the RBs from that draft class.

In general, I would like to see the SP rating signify a player's SP over 100 yards starting at 100% fatigue and then accounting for fatigue loss during the run. A 300 pound person is going to fatigue a lot faster than a 180 pound person when both are in top physical condition. It's just how biomechanics work.