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Re: [Update] Passing logic rewrite is ready

By jdavidbakr - Site Admin
10/12/2018 12:09 pm
setherick wrote:
1) https://mfn1.myfootballnow.com/watch/8703#1577747
a) Missed tackle? Or missed interception?


Pretty sure that's a missed interception.

setherick wrote:
2) https://mfn1.myfootballnow.com/watch/8703#1577761
a) Can you fix this with the passing updates? I had another near fumbled pitch that ended up 10 yards behind the LOS earlier in the game. I don't mind an RB fumbling a pitch now and then, but this just looks stupid.


Yikes, I thought I had fixed this, I wonder if my rewrite reintroduced it. This is using the passing logic so even though it's a pitch it is getting touched with this code update.



Could be pressure, could also be that he decided to throw the ball and place it out of reach of everyone.

setherick wrote:
4) https://mfn1.myfootballnow.com/watch/8703#1577815
a) Terrible curl. The play isn't one I'd call since the WR curls outside, but he shouldn't run around like an idiot.


Yeah, looks like the WR still needs additional logic to know what to do when he gets to the end of his curl route.

setherick wrote:
7) https://mfn1.myfootballnow.com/watch/8703#1577839
a) There are an absurd number of OPI calls and ABSOLUTELY NO DPI calls.


Looking at the code I see you're right, the defensive PI algorithm is no longer called with the update. I won't be able to do anything with the first items but I will try to get a patch for this in time for tonight's games.

Re: [Update] Passing logic rewrite is ready

By setherick
10/12/2018 7:17 pm
jdavidbakr wrote:

setherick wrote:
2) https://mfn1.myfootballnow.com/watch/8703#1577761
a) Can you fix this with the passing updates? I had another near fumbled pitch that ended up 10 yards behind the LOS earlier in the game. I don't mind an RB fumbling a pitch now and then, but this just looks stupid.


Yikes, I thought I had fixed this, I wonder if my rewrite reintroduced it. This is using the passing logic so even though it's a pitch it is getting touched with this code update.


Wait ... how do pitches work then?

Re: [Update] Passing logic rewrite is ready

By setherick
10/13/2018 7:33 am
1) https://mfn1.myfootballnow.com/watch/8718#1580522
a) What?

2) https://mfn1.myfootballnow.com/watch/8718#1580534
a) Why does it take the SLB so long to track the FB on this play?

3) https://mfn1.myfootballnow.com/watch/8718#1580541
a) Almost every pass this game was behind a WR. Why don't QBs get the ball out in front? Ever. There seems to be a timing problem between QBs and WRs. QBs don't anticipate the WR and throw the ball. This is the same problem with the curl route. QBs wait until the route is done to throw the ball. Curl routes get thrown as soon as the WR shows separation in anticipation of the WR's break. The same principle applies with back shoulder throws. QB's should be using their Release attribute to make these anticipatory decisions.

4) https://mfn1.myfootballnow.com/watch/8718#1580549
a) RB comes back to far on the curl.

5) https://mfn1.myfootballnow.com/watch/8718#1580552
a) Behind again.

6) https://mfn1.myfootballnow.com/watch/8718#1580561
a) If the QB stands in the pocket and throws this ball literally a second earlier, then this is a nice catch. The ball ends up where it should, but it is thrown way too late.

7) https://mfn1.myfootballnow.com/watch/8718#1580562
a) Pressure? QB ignores the open WR on the top of the screen. Throws an awful pass.

8) https://mfn1.myfootballnow.com/watch/8718#1580579
a) This is pretty bad too. I don't think QBs should complete these passes, but one of two things should happen more regularly: (1) QBs should overthrow their intended target because they are trying to push the ball out in front of the WR and throw too far. (2) WRs should slow down once the ball is in the air so they don't overrun the ball. This will allow slower DBs to catch up to them as well.

9) https://mfn1.myfootballnow.com/watch/8718#1580588
a) Here's another. It looks like stutter throws off this ball placement.

10) https://mfn1.myfootballnow.com/watch/8718#1580590
a) Back to throwing in triple coverage and ignoring open WRs? Also, bad placement.

Re: [Update] Passing logic rewrite is ready

By raymattison21
10/13/2018 8:24 am
The penalties associated with a player physical weight are acting different .

1. Underweight dlineman seem more successful during pass rushing situations .

2. TESs/FBs and LBS are not cleaning up in statistical categories .

3. A 78 speed WR and ran one of the fastest 40 times I seen in a while.

4. The return/ run game seems to favor the smaller/faster players a bit more.

These are anecdotal as most of the dline plays I observed were with 2nd stringers.

A change in passing algorithms could easily be nullifing opportunities for the TE, FB, and LB.

That WR was timed by the game clock, but it was definitely sub 5 second 40. More like a 4.7 or faster!

And run/return game needs a proper evaluation , but if big guys are getting tired quicker or something like that I could see running being affected . Some of #2 could come into play here.

Not like any of this is good or bad for the game as like the changes . Saw only one wide open drop last game, but it does seem some QB decision making skills could use tweaks as knockdowns are a bit high .

Re: [Update] Passing logic rewrite is ready

By jdavidbakr - Site Admin
10/13/2018 10:07 am
setherick wrote:
Wait ... how do pitches work then?


Once the ball is in the air for the pitch the logic is the same as the passing logic. There is just some additional logic to reduce the "drops" and of course to consider those as incomplete. But the targeting of the pitch clearly didn't survive the update for the downfield passes.

Re: [Update] Passing logic rewrite is ready

By Warthog
10/13/2018 6:06 pm
Pitch play from today's scrimmage. Wasn't a fumble this time, but it still doesn't look like the pitch is being made accurately. The RB seems to turn and run away from the pitch.

https://mfn1.myfootballnow.com/watch/8717#1580355
Last edited at 10/13/2018 6:07 pm

Re: [Update] Passing logic rewrite is ready

By jdavidbakr - Site Admin
10/13/2018 7:02 pm
I've got an update that will test tonight and tomorrow, if it doesn't break anything significantly I'll push it on Monday for week one. Pitch play and curl routes the focus.

Re: [Update] Passing logic rewrite is ready

By jdavidbakr - Site Admin
10/15/2018 8:25 am
Just an update, I'm not making any changes for tonight's sims, the changes over the weekend have too many problems.
Last edited at 10/15/2018 8:33 am

Re: [Update] Passing logic rewrite is ready

By Ragnulf-le-maudit
10/16/2018 3:18 am
A lot of errant passes
https://mfn1.myfootballnow.com/watch/8725#1581756
https://mfn1.myfootballnow.com/watch/8725#1581837

The PbP says koncked down and dropped
https://mfn1.myfootballnow.com/watch/8725#1581760

on that play, i assume the OLB should be on the TE. What happens to him ?
https://mfn1.myfootballnow.com/watch/8725#1581793

This happens very often : the LB outruns the RB in the flat, leading to an easy completion. That type of coverage is not adequate in those circumstances.
https://mfn1.myfootballnow.com/watch/8725#1581807

This is the first of three successive such passes, by what should be an elite QB.
https://mfn1.myfootballnow.com/watch/8725#1581816

A lot of fumbles like this one happen. This ones leads to a safety, sometimes it results in a gain of some yards.
https://mfn1.myfootballnow.com/watch/8725#1581869
Last edited at 10/16/2018 3:52 am

Re: [Update] Passing logic rewrite is ready

By setherick
10/16/2018 7:15 am
I need to watch the full film, but this bothered me a lot. DBs are still mirroring the WR route and getting deeper than the WR even when there are two of them: https://mfn1.myfootballnow.com/watch/8734#1583355