Counting from the log, it only shows 2 game-enders for me, and 3 for him. I should've screen-shotted my roster after. All those dingers must've added up.

I play probables sometimes, but haven't been in any situation I felt was urgent enough to play a questionable

You both claim to care deeply about this game. You both expected that by making "vague" references, you wouldn't get called on your snarkiness. You may not be TRYING to drive off noobs, but that is exactly what this kind of behavior will accomplish most of the time. Without us noobs, this game will die. So, although your records or the financial support you've given - may ENTITLE you to make these sorts of comments, please think twice next time. You're both better than that, so make better decisions.

TTD: Let them have their circle jerking. If it makes them happy in their twilight years, surely us young and fresh minds can shrug it off and tread our own path. :)

I'm just happy to see they've been able to write a combined one solid, useful post since I started. Score 1 for the veterans.

Tarquinthedark if you think anything I said was in reference to yourself then you are mistaken. You have played multiple seasons in several leagues so I must assume you have been exposed to at least 2 versions by now if not 3 versions. If I was being vague then let me be clear, I was referring to Lamba who has played exactly 1 season of MFN in 1 league and who simply has no frame of reference to add to this thread. This thread is clearly about the CHANGES in the versions and how it has effected the game leading veteran owners to become frustrated with the state and direction of the game. He is posting about gameplans and how stupid some of the best owners in this game are calling plays. Veterans like myself that call plays in an attempt to figure out these new versions in various ways. Lamba went 15-1 in his one and only season in the first season following an allocation draft. He did a fantastic job and found something that worked for him. Unfortunately he went 1 and done in the playoffs despite being the #1 seed. Smirt211, Michael77 and myself have won multiple championships under 4.3, 4.4 and we are winning at a high level in 4.5 as well. Im not sure if anyone in MFN has won a league championship under 4.5 yet or not.
This really isnt about figuring out what works in 4.5, most of us have honed in it. **** I just won a game 91-0 in 4.5 in the Shadow League. Heres a link if you want the game log

https://shadow.myfootballnow.com/box/1315

Trust me Im all for new owners joining, thats great but playing one season just doesnt give you the frame of reference for the changes in the game. You simply havent gone through the switch from 4.3 to 4.4 to 4.5 over the coarse of 3 consecutive seasons. It has been frustrating to a bunch of owners, owners that have been a fixture for years are quitting and that is very disturbing. New owners are great and we need more of them but new owners come and go quickly sometimes while someone that has played for years (real time) tend to keep playing.

If you think Im gonna sit by and watch somebody with very little game experience call veteran owners that I have played for years be called fools or have him attempt to school owners that I have battled for Championships and know first hand how difficult it is to gameplan against then you are wrong.
New owners are welcome to play and have opinions but its disrespectful to come on here and talk trash when you havent done anything in this game. EVERYONE is this game continues to learn and evolve but the amount of knowledge owners like Smirt, Michael and Grandadb have is incredible and Lamba simply dismisses them as old idiots that need to get out of his way.

We'll just refer to him as the Sacrificial Lamb(a). :)

Well said, btw.

I would like to be considered as an old idiot please.

absolutely.......Im sorry I didnt add your name.....apologies

Nope.

You guys are behaving like jerks so I'm calling you out.

I haven't once questioned how frustrating it can be with changes, but apart from one post, all you guys have collectively done since I joined is being some whiny bitches, who are being more part of the problem you're describing than part of the solution.

I may be new to mfn, but I'm by no means new to management games or browser games. That you guys are behaving like the ancient Greek oligarchy is sickening.

Your responses show you lack a level of maturity since you resort to calling being jerks, accuse people of being whining bitches while all anyone has said to you is you lack experience playing this sim and your frame of reference is limited to just version 4.5.
But hey maybe you are a prodigy so I invite you to join any league with Michael77, Smirt211, mcarovil, grandadb or myself are in and show us all how its done. Obviously you are ready to step up from the junior circuit and ready to enter the arena against us old idiots, jerks and whining bitches. May I suggest you join the NBA, NFL or Arena leagues. You could also join the Quick & Customizable league because Im actually tired of winning Championships in that league and need some competition.

You have a really weird way of getting people to join your inactive leagues.

Grandadb is pure class. Don't drag him into this.