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Re: State of the Game

By Smirt211
3/12/2019 11:23 am
If a team gets behind and can't use medium and long passes to try and catch up then why bother playing? 3rd and longs do happen.


I do my best to avoid BETA, however, I took an excursion a long time ago when this was in its infancy. The triumvirate of voices which have led us here today were pushing to make 3rd and long distances a near impossibility to convert while tossing 'real-life statistics' at why it must be this way. (bringing it down significantly)

The heart of the game is being taken away with cold hard stats dousing itself all over it.



Last edited at 3/12/2019 11:23 am

Re: State of the Game

By Mcarovil
3/12/2019 11:30 am
I never really go back and look at the game log in depth, but thank you Guy. So before playing catch we had 66% pass rate with 6 INT and 2 fumbles. By your logic, it was pass key and dime coverage. 4 of 8 INTs were in dime. the others in 4-3 base. all pass key.
So you're saying its best to just pass key all game in dime coverage and you will get 8 INTs.

Next time, you should look at all the factors and not just the one overall stats. #FAKENEWSKILLS

Guy Debord wrote:
https://gfs.myfootballnow.com/box/1882


76% pass plays (41 out of 54).^^


Endless loop in this thread so far:

Passing all day into pass keyed dime double coverages -> throwing a bunch of interceptions -> complain about a "broken engine"...

Re: State of the Game

By Guy Debord
3/12/2019 12:01 pm
Mcarovil wrote:
I never really go back and look at the game log in depth, but thank you Guy.


You're welcome.

So before playing catch we had 66% pass rate with 6 INT and 2 fumbles. By your logic, it was pass key and dime coverage. 4 of 8 INTs were in dime. the others in 4-3 base. all pass key.
So you're saying its best to just pass key all game in dime coverage and you will get 8 INTs.

Next time, you should look at all the factors and not just the one overall stats. #FAKENEWSKILLS


The 8 picks are no "fake news". The frequent use of dime formations by your opponent is not a "fake news". The permanent use of pass keys by your oppnent is not a "fake news". And that he can do all that without beeing punished or even destroyed by your running game isn't a "fake news", too.
But yeah, it's easier to blame the engine than yourself. I understand that. So you're welcome to continue doing so. That's up to you.

Re: State of the Game

By parsh
3/12/2019 12:36 pm
4.2 or 4.3 .. when I was a gameplanner. And FBs were OLs and DBs were DEs



That's what we evolved from ..

Re: State of the Game

By Michael77
3/12/2019 12:58 pm
Guy Debord wrote:
https://gfs.myfootballnow.com/box/1882


76% pass plays (41 out of 54).^^


Endless loop in this thread so far:

Passing all day into pass keyed dime double coverages -> throwing a bunch of interceptions -> complain about a "broken engine"...
You should be fine running a 70-75 pass percentage and a 20-25 run percentage. I could understand if it was like 90-10 or 95-5 passing but it's not. This version has some serious flaws and there will be a mass exodus of owners leaving if this doesn't get fixed. Then Guy, you and Parsh will be alone to contest for your leagues championships. ;) lol

Re: State of the Game

By Michael77
3/12/2019 1:10 pm
Guy Debord wrote:
Big Poppa wrote:
Guy Debord wrote:
Do not let the dinosaur provoke you, Lamba.

They obviously all think they are reincarnations of Bill Belichick so it MUST be a broken engine if they lose with 80% pass plays into double coverages. It could not be a bad offense game plan, it MUST be a bad work by jdavidbakr.


You're partially right. Losses can be the result of bad game planning. But.... The last 3 releases the game planning didn't change. No new plays were added. The only things that changed was work done by jdb.
INT's are way up. WR receptions are way down overall. RB's and TE's are higher than they should be and actually lead some leagues in receptions.

If a team gets behind and can't use medium and long passes to try and catch up then why bother playing? 3rd and longs do happen.


I only can speak out of my experience. And at my team in the NCAA I use many medium passes (and a few long passes). And my QB only threw 3 picks in 8 regular season games. So I cannot see a general interception problem.
And yes, the WR receptions are lower as in 0.4.3. But on the other hand WR's now make much more yards due to DB's pass interferences than before. And that is very realistic in my opinion.
While some pass interference calls may be realistic in the NFL, it's not what this game needs imo. This game was intended as a game where players can gameplan and set the right rosters and have fun. Not intended as a game where the outcomes are determined by penalties, pass interference calls and INTs. That's no fun and it completely takes away any strategy between two owners. That's not what this game was intended to be. I honestly have played some games and seen some in the 4.5 version where the winning team would be the one with the most INTs and penalties vs the opposing team despite the losing team having a way better team, roster, and record. I don't want this game to become one where the outcome is decided basically on a "coin flip". That's no fun and no purpose to even prepare for games anymore. Just sayin. My two cents.
Last edited at 3/12/2019 1:12 pm

Re: State of the Game

By Michael77
3/12/2019 1:15 pm
At least as far as pass interference penalties are concerned, have maybe a few in a game but ONLY when the defenders attributes are low in the discipline category. If the CB gets called for that all the time, and he has 100 for discipline, that isn't right imo.
Last edited at 3/12/2019 1:15 pm

Re: State of the Game

By Guy Debord
3/12/2019 4:11 pm
Michael77 wrote:
[You should be fine running a 70-75 pass percentage and a 20-25 run percentage.


World peace ...Jets vs. Browns in the next super bowl ...Natalie Portman calls me and asks if I want to marry her ...all these things should be.
But passing 75% against an opponent who anticipate it and winning nevertheless? No, that shouldn't and it wouldn't be fine.

Re: State of the Game

By TarquinTheDark
3/12/2019 4:24 pm
Guy Debord wrote:
...Natalie Portman calls me and asks if I want to marry her ...


Are we talking about the real Natalie Portman or a 50 year-old guy who lives with his mom that you met on the Internet named Natalie Portman?

As far as passing percentages, where would you draw the line for being able to determine a games outcome by keying on the pass?
Last edited at 3/12/2019 4:26 pm

Re: State of the Game

By raymattison21
3/12/2019 5:07 pm
parsh wrote:
4.2 or 4.3 .. when I was a gameplanner. And FBs were OLs and DBs were DEs



That's what we evolved from ..


I had 60 tds with one wr in one season. 46 sacks for a de and 18 ints for a dB. Calling 6 total plays . That’s blitzing every down and throwing deep. Both were over powered imo.