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Re: [0.4.6] Version ed778b7

By raymattison21
7/30/2019 5:45 am
https://mfn1.myfootballnow.com/watch/10011#1825580

A blitz by the defense leaves a lot of holes here, and the throw or drop is not the worst outcome . Still touching on the ignorance of the qb not throwing to the wr1. He is almost always wide open on plays like this, but never thrown to.

4.4-4.5 you get a throw underneath here almost evertime, but 4.6 pretty much never. This may not be the best example , because the wr2 is better than the CB2 and they blitzed, but I think any matchups, player or plays, the qb never to throw to the wr1 drag .

Same happens when the wr2 drags short on different but similar plays. I don't know how much this is tied to the dump off logic, but targets in general do not come back to the wide open drags that come from the outside of the formation . I like that backs are not leading the league in targets like 4.4, but the wr1s targets have been down ever since .

Re: [0.4.6] Version ed778b7

By raymattison21
7/30/2019 5:53 am
raymattison21 wrote:
https://mfn1.myfootballnow.com/watch/10011#1825580

A blitz by the defense leaves a lot of holes here, and the throw or drop is not the worst outcome . Still touching on the ignorance of the qb not throwing to the wr1. He is almost always wide open on plays like this, but never thrown to.

4.4-4.5 you get a throw underneath here almost evertime, but 4.6 pretty much never. This may not be the best example , because the wr2 is better than the CB2 and they blitzed, but I think any matchups, player or plays, the qb never to throw to the wr1 drag .

Same happens when the wr2 drags short on different but similar plays. I don't know how much this is tied to the dump off logic, but targets in general do not come back to the wide open drags that come from the outside of the formation . I like that backs are not leading the league in targets like 4.4, but the wr1s targets have been down ever since .


https://mfn1.myfootballnow.com/watch/10011#1825578

Here's one with the wr2....should be a quick read and throw before the wr reaches the LBer lurking the middle in spy...

Are the routes too shallow here or the DEs are not getting enough push before the throw? . ..I have be getting DEs with targets allowed this pre season ? But they are never in man or zone coverage . ..

Re: [0.4.6] Version ed778b7

By raymattison21
7/30/2019 6:07 am
raymattison21 wrote:
raymattison21 wrote:
https://mfn1.myfootballnow.com/watch/10011#1825580

A blitz by the defense leaves a lot of holes here, and the throw or drop is not the worst outcome . Still touching on the ignorance of the qb not throwing to the wr1. He is almost always wide open on plays like this, but never thrown to.

4.4-4.5 you get a throw underneath here almost evertime, but 4.6 pretty much never. This may not be the best example , because the wr2 is better than the CB2 and they blitzed, but I think any matchups, player or plays, the qb never to throw to the wr1 drag .

Same happens when the wr2 drags short on different but similar plays. I don't know how much this is tied to the dump off logic, but targets in general do not come back to the wide open drags that come from the outside of the formation . I like that backs are not leading the league in targets like 4.4, but the wr1s targets have been down ever since .


https://mfn1.myfootballnow.com/watch/10011#1825578

Here's one with the wr2....should be a quick read and throw before the wr reaches the LBer lurking the middle in spy...

Are the routes too shallow here or the DEs are not getting enough push before the throw? . ..I have be getting DEs with targets allowed this pre season ? But they are never in man or zone coverage . ..


https://mfn1.myfootballnow.com/watch/10011#1825581

Wr2 ran real shallow here and maybe the qb thought he was covered by the blitzing CB3, who was blocked by the LT, near the LOS and near the route.

I am really starting to wonder if reads are being messed with because outside pressure and qb scrambling is nerfed. DTs are leading the league in sacks. These were bigger changes from4.4 to 4.6 with DE sacks down and blitzes for LBers and Dbs have been down for a while.

Perhaps the lack of push / pressure is muddling the passes near the LOS? There's just not enough space for the qb to make a proper/safe read.

Re: [0.4.6] Version ed778b7

By raymattison21
7/30/2019 6:10 am
raymattison21 wrote:
raymattison21 wrote:
raymattison21 wrote:
https://mfn1.myfootballnow.com/watch/10011#1825580

A blitz by the defense leaves a lot of holes here, and the throw or drop is not the worst outcome . Still touching on the ignorance of the qb not throwing to the wr1. He is almost always wide open on plays like this, but never thrown to.

4.4-4.5 you get a throw underneath here almost evertime, but 4.6 pretty much never. This may not be the best example , because the wr2 is better than the CB2 and they blitzed, but I think any matchups, player or plays, the qb never to throw to the wr1 drag .

Same happens when the wr2 drags short on different but similar plays. I don't know how much this is tied to the dump off logic, but targets in general do not come back to the wide open drags that come from the outside of the formation . I like that backs are not leading the league in targets like 4.4, but the wr1s targets have been down ever since .


https://mfn1.myfootballnow.com/watch/10011#1825578

Here's one with the wr2....should be a quick read and throw before the wr reaches the LBer lurking the middle in spy...

Are the routes too shallow here or the DEs are not getting enough push before the throw? . ..I have be getting DEs with targets allowed this pre season ? But they are never in man or zone coverage . ..


https://mfn1.myfootballnow.com/watch/10011#1825581

Wr2 ran real shallow here and maybe the qb thought he was covered by the blitzing CB3, who was blocked by the LT, near the LOS and near the route.

I am really starting to wonder if reads are being messed with because outside pressure and qb scrambling is nerfed. DTs are leading the league in sacks. These were bigger changes from4.4 to 4.6 with DE sacks down and blitzes for LBers and Dbs have been down for a while.

Perhaps the lack of push / pressure is muddling the passes near the LOS? There's just not enough space for the qb to make a proper/safe read.



https://mfn1.myfootballnow.com/watch/10011#1825627
Again the wr2 wide open on the drag

Re: [0.4.6] Version ed778b7

By raymattison21
7/30/2019 8:25 am
TarquinTheDark wrote:
https://mfn1.myfootballnow.com/watch/10003#1824091
Offensive Play: Weak I Normal All Go
Defensive Play: 4-3 Under 2 Deep Flat Outside

WR2 is the primary. CB2 drops zone to stick with him, so the QB turns . . . and wait a sec' . . . CB1 went back to zone, dropping coverage on WR1 half a second before that turn. WR1 is wide open at full speed with nothing downfield! FS stuck to his zone because of the TE, who staggered his route. He moved over some, but not enough (unless he's Superman). It's going to be a touchdown!

But no. QB, under pressure, fires a little too hard to the outlet. He doesn't look downfield even though its the same direction. Pass is bobbled, and psychic CB1 gets it right in the numbers.


The wr1 is the best option for the qb vs. these two set of plays. Depending who the Safety takes on deep coverage. His zone is not the best so the qb should have thrown it to wr1 or overthrown him deep.

The wr had better route than the cb and saftey but he’s a rookie maybe the qbs arm strength made him not throw deep, but the cb really anticipated the throw to the back a 266 pound slow guy. The quicker cb out ran him for the pick.

Good or bad outcome the zones were covered well enough even though that offensive play should beat that defensive play deep. Really if the an was to check down he’s got to get that pass out quicker.

Being a longer pass that takes the qb longer to read and throw it would almost be beneficial for the back to delay , block for a second, or stop when open to prevent the pass from traveling closer to the incoming CB1 in the flat. As I thought the pass was a little slow and overthrown

None of my games have had zone underneath it plays so I need to see a lot more plays like this to fully analyze the zone changes.

These same plays vs a man under are working well cause that back can get behind the under coverage and the safeties are still jumping routes bad, missing, and the back has daylight.

Re: [0.4.6] Version ed778b7

By raymattison21
7/30/2019 8:32 am
TarquinTheDark wrote:
https://mfn1.myfootballnow.com/watch/10003#1824152
Offensive Play: I Formation Normal FL Hook
Defensive Play: 4-3 Under 2 Deep Flat Outside - Pass Key

WR1 is the primary. Two perfect adjustments by CB1. Pass was slightly off target. Good defensive call and execution.


I just don’t see why the qb didn’t look for the TE first or even the cb. But the 266 pound slow wr who was doubled was his choice ?

Re: [0.4.6] Version ed778b7

By raymattison21
7/30/2019 9:50 am
https://mfn1.myfootballnow.com/watch/10021#1827385

Here's a zone play where the young SLB kept drifting away from an elite TE after the pass was thrown. It should have been a quick look , throw, and possible tackle attempt . The LBer had 90 zone, but seemed clueless for a bit.

I like to see more "chipping " TEs on their release . Backs too. ..it would give more time for out side wrs to get down field and development of their routes.

Re: [0.4.6] Version ed778b7

By TarquinTheDark
7/30/2019 11:49 pm
https://mfn1.myfootballnow.com/watch/10019#1827075
Offensive Play: I Formation 3WR FL Post
Defensive Play: Nickel Normal Man Cover 2

Here's one to the WR1 in double man coverage. The nickle back was close enough to break off and make it triple. No other receiver was considered, although I will say coverage was tight enough on everyone that the outlet was probably the best option.

Re: [0.4.6] Version ed778b7

By raymattison21
7/31/2019 4:34 pm
TarquinTheDark wrote:
https://mfn1.myfootballnow.com/watch/10019#1827075
Offensive Play: I Formation 3WR FL Post
Defensive Play: Nickel Normal Man Cover 2

Here's one to the WR1 in double man coverage. The nickle back was close enough to break off and make it triple. No other receiver was considered, although I will say coverage was tight enough on everyone that the outlet was probably the best option.


Pressure by the dline was 4 yards away...maybe the qb could let the wr1 develop the post pattern as he is the primary target on this play. Pass was poorly timed.

The slot had a small window, but the wlb, assigned to cover the fb who stayed into block, took away the middle of the feild nicely. That seems new?

The wr2 didn't even break on his "flag" route, and both safeties were over playing the sidelines of there zones A bit. I kinda liked this option cause an overthrow would go out of bounds .

The back, if the qb could by some time rolling right and the SS covers that post, could find a lot of open field if he gets behind the LBer and down the sideline for a lob pass.

A lot of possibilities here on an initially well covered play , but I rarely see a scramble by the qb and a throw. Just a lot of poorly timed reads in to doubled coverage.

Re: [0.4.6] Version ed778b7

By raymattison21
8/01/2019 5:47 am
https://mfn1.myfootballnow.com/watch/10032#1829363

On this slant the defense has a safety deep in zone. Granted the wr and qb are top tier players and the cb2 and safety have elite cover skill but are sub 70 speed.

The play looked snuffed out by the defense , but the CB2 loses position when the ball is thrown and the safety gambles for an int/knockdown and misses big putting him 10 yards behind the wr.

The CB2 is too slow to recover and it's a td. I don't know how often Dbs go big and whiff bad like this, but I almost think it should be taken out or at least lowered alot. To me it looked like he was already in position to make a play on the ball , but to end up ten yards behind the ball just seems too far.

These gambles by Dbs would be better reserved for players with deep help behind them. The safety being the only deep help should almost never do this. Under coverage could gamble like this, but not end up so far away from the ball after a big miss.