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Re: 2031 Season

By Wolfpack
3/29/2017 9:28 pm
setherick wrote:
Beercloud wrote:
blackflies wrote
I'm wondering how much blitz is considered to much


I think it depends on what defense your running. If your running a 3-4 your prolly blitzing on most plays unless your rushing 3 and dropping everyone else back into coverage. A 4-3 or 46 is a whole different story.


Has anyone had success with a 3-4 in the new code? My 3-4 became the most useless defense because OL were blasting to the second level and engaging LBs before they could react. Since weight matters now in blocking, this meant that my LBs were useless in the running game. I finally pulled all of my 3 man front plays.


My 34 is gutted under these changes. I'll have to scrap it in the off season. It's never been a great defense but I got it to work for a few seasons long ago.

Re: 2031 Season

By WarEagle
3/30/2017 2:35 pm
blackflys wrote:
I'm wondering how much blitz is considered to much.


I don't think there is such a thing yet.

EVERY defensive play my team has called this year has been a blitz.

I'm 12-0, and my defensive players are nothing to write home about.

Re: 2031 Season

By setherick
3/30/2017 2:42 pm
WarEagle wrote:
blackflys wrote:
I'm wondering how much blitz is considered to much.


I don't think there is such a thing yet.

EVERY defensive play my team has called this year has been a blitz.

I'm 12-0, and my defensive players are nothing to write home about.



I'm well aware of this since I have to play you next and you've already beaten me once. What pisses me off is that v.0.4.1 is going to destroy any reasonable defensive schemes.

For the past few seasons, here's been my basic game plan:

Short downs - M2M Heavy, Man / 1 Deep Secondary, Blitz heavy
Medium downs - M2M Heavy, 1 Deep / 2 Deep Secondary, Balanced LBs
Long downs - M2M or 3-Deep Man, 2 Deep / 3 Deep Secondary, Balanced LBs

This defensive game plan assumes that on short downs players will run or throw short; on medium down, players will have a balance of running and passing; and on long downs, players will throw so the secondary can sit back and react to the underneath throw and still have time to react to a run.

This seems like a reasonable approach, and it's been pretty dominant with varying personnel in multiple leagues (including 75). BUT in v.0.4.1, as evident by this season, this approach is going to get absolutely destroyed.

Which means I'll be running a M2M, Blitz 2 defense next season because reasonable doesn't matter anymore.

Re: 2031 Season

By blackflys
3/30/2017 9:13 pm
WarEagle wrote:
blackflys wrote:
I'm wondering how much blitz is considered to much.


I don't think there is such a thing yet.

EVERY defensive play my team has called this year has been a blitz.

I'm 12-0, and my defensive players are nothing to write home about.



You have been building that team for a long time.

Re: 2031 Season

By setherick
3/31/2017 6:44 am
Good all out blitz game WarEagle. That pretty much seals my interest in v.0.4.1 and the game.

For context, through the first 12 games, I gave up 19 sacks with an offense that is designed to minimize sacks. Against WarEagles Blitz 2 defense, 8 in one game.

WarEagle picked up two safeties that game, including this stupid **** play: https://mfn1.myfootballnow.com/gamecenter/view/6253#1127469

Time to give up and join the blitz crew.
Last edited at 3/31/2017 6:49 am

Re: 2031 Season

By WarEagle
3/31/2017 8:47 pm
setherick wrote:
Good all out blitz game WarEagle. That pretty much seals my interest in v.0.4.1 and the game.

For context, through the first 12 games, I gave up 19 sacks with an offense that is designed to minimize sacks. Against WarEagles Blitz 2 defense, 8 in one game.

WarEagle picked up two safeties that game, including this stupid **** play: https://mfn1.myfootballnow.com/gamecenter/view/6253#1127469

Time to give up and join the blitz crew.


I feel for you.

For the record, I think it's pretty obvious I am not a fan of the type of gameplanning I have been using this season and would never do this intentionally in a real league (I don't consider MFN-1 to be a real league). I am using my team here as a guinea pig to be able to tell if/when JDB ever makes any (or enough) changes so this type of strategy will not work and results in losses instead of wins.

When that happens I look forward to becoming more involved in MFN again, picking up teams, caring about outcomes, etc. If it never happens, or not enough progress is made to make this game fun again, I'll leave for good before I blitz all game in a real league.

I never imagined it was so bad that my team would be 13-0 with no gameplanning all season long. The only thing I've done at all is remove 6 of my 30 blitzes so I am now only using 24 (and I sit anyone injured, including most "probables"). The fact I'm undefeated doing this just makes me think the problem is worse than I thought.

Re: 2031 Season

By WarEagle
3/31/2017 8:57 pm
blackflys wrote:
WarEagle wrote:
blackflys wrote:
I'm wondering how much blitz is considered to much.


I don't think there is such a thing yet.

EVERY defensive play my team has called this year has been a blitz.

I'm 12-0, and my defensive players are nothing to write home about.



You have been building that team for a long time.



Eh. By my ratings I only have 1 90+ rated player on defense, and only 3 starters have played more than 11 games so far (through 13). The point I was making is that I don't think my team has been successful because my D is filled with a bunch of studs.

Re: 2031 Season

By Mr.Krazy
4/01/2017 1:26 am
Well that was painful to watch. My offensive line was getting shredded all game long by Arizona.

Blitzing is still OP against..well, pretty much everything.

There definitely needs to be more added to counter the blitz before V0.4.1 gets released, otherwise blitz heavy teams will dominate over teams that actually gameplan and play the game how it should be.

Screen plays, new routes, audibles, increasing the effect of intelligence to impact the QB's ability to recognize blitzes and find an open route, whatever it takes to stop teams that blitz every down from constantly wrecking offenses.

Re: 2031 Season

By blackflys
4/01/2017 3:33 am
You guys blitzed about the same. Teams blitz all the time in the NFL. Some teams don't. Your QB has 29 TD 4 in 109 rating 41 sacks in 13 games

Some NFL related examples of this would help the argument.
Why is your defensive play calling alike with NFL teams

Re: 2031 Season

By blackflys
4/01/2017 5:35 am
Schemes NFL D coordinators

Higher Blitzing teams

New York Giants – Bob McAdoo/Steve Spagnuolo
Adopted Jim Johnson’s aggressive approach with blitzes from different packages; commonly uses three or four defensive ends on the line in obvious passing situations. All players, including defensive backs, may be asked to blitz. Most of the team’s defensive linemen are supposed to be able to move around the line and generate pressure. Favors linebackers who are smaller and more athletic, and thus can defend sideline-to-sideline against the run and in coverage. Uses a lot of zone-blitzes, without as much emphasis on man coverage relative to some other teams.
Steve Spagnuolo's Scheme, Familiarity Is What Transitioning Giants Defense Needs

Dallas Cowboys – Jason Garrett/Rod Marinelli
One of the league’s foremost proponents of the Tampa-2 defense popularized by legendary coordinator Monte Kiffen. Features a four-man defensive front with one-gap principles, often stunting and twisting to create pressure. Front-seven players are expected to be able to get penetration and flow to the ball. Uses two safeties in deep zone coverage, with a middle linebacker who also does some zone work over the middle of the field. Cornerbacks usually work in zone as well and are expected to be quality tacklers, as well as able to disrupt routes at the line of scrimmage. A conservative defense in the back, but one which has recently used some linebacker and slot corner blitzes.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tampa_2
https://www.reddit.com/r/nfl/comments/36vv3l/what_offensive_and_defensive_scheme_system_does/

San Diego Chargers – Mike McCoy/John Pagano
Uses a one-gap base defense with 3-4 personnel but more of a 4-3 in practice which is considered predictable and lacking in creativity despite giving some aggressive looks; the team most often operates out of their nickel package. Use inside linebackers for some double-A gap blitzes and stunts up the middle, but generally rush four defenders and play off coverage in the secondary. Uses a lot of three-deep coverage shells such as cover-three with a single high safety in the middle third and cornerbacks defending the outer thirds.
http://www.boltsfromtheblue.com/2014/7/7/5875303/review-san-diego-chargers-2013-pass-defense-pagano
http://www.boltsfromtheblue.com/2013/5/17/4337110/the-san-diego-chargers-should-switch-defensive-schemes

Baltimore Ravens – John Harbaugh/Dean Pees
Often uses two-gap principles in run defense, with heavy blitzing, although that may have been more frequent because of personnel issues, manufacturing pressure. Base defense is a 3-4, but mixed in some 4-3 under/over type looks as well, with the left end shading over the opposing guard instead of tackle. Does a good job of disguising pre-snap intentions. Coverage shells are mixed up frequently and opponent-dependent; will go heavy on man coverage in one game, zone in the next, and mix up both often. Used more man toward the end of the year, more zone at the beginning.
http://baltimoresportsandlife.com/dean-pees-ravens-d-pt-2/
2016 Michigan Football Clinic Notes: Dean Pees



Non blitzing teams

Jacksonville Jaguars – Gus Bradley/Todd Wash
Typically rushes just four players (the defensive line), with a cover-three shell behind it (cornerbacks covering the deep thirds on either side of the free safety’s deep third), allowing the strong safety (in a robber role) and four linebackers to defend the first level of the field. The teams listed here usually press and bail at the line of scrimmage. The teams in this category have been using a combination of one and two-gap responsibilities, with a five-technique end and a one-technique nose tackle occupying two gaps, while a three-technique under tackle and a “Leo” (hybrid end/rush linebacker, wide 9 alignment) play one gap. A strongside linebacker lines up on the outside shoulder of the opponent’s tight end (same side as the five-technique strongside end) and plays one-gap in an “under” front, whereas in an “over” front, the five-technique is more of a six-technique on the outside shoulder of the tight end and the Sam linebacker lines up essentially across from the opposing tackle.
http://www.fieldgulls.com/football-breakdowns/2013/5/31/4382318/the-seahawks-and-the-4-3-under-front-winds-of-change

Philadelphia Eagles – Doug Pederson/Jim Schwartz
Has been labeled as a “wide nine” defensive coordinator, traditionally using four down linemen, his ends lining up well outside the tackles in order to get upfield more quickly. Considers his defense more an “attack” defense. However, often asks one defensive end to stand up and rush from a two-point stance. The 4-3 wide nine itself was influenced by the 3-4 defense, forcing inside runs by aligning its ends on the outside. Relies on the front four to generate pressure, with linebackers dropping. Coverage-wise, it’s important to have rangy linebackers to handle zone responsibilities, with the secondary playing zone as well (lots of cover-two.)
Jim Schwartz Attack 4-3 Defense: COOL Clinic Notes
http://www.philadelphiaeagles.com/news/article-1/Eagle-Eye-Jim-Schwartzs-Attack-Defense/72122296-c9e4-47e6-8eb5-cf5b0f65c1eb